Wednesday, December 28, 2011

Once a Soldier


[US] Veterans


Australia Looking for a Few Good [US] Veterans
With the Iraq War officially over and the Army downsizing in the face of defense budget pressure, more troops will be making the transition back to civilian life -- a potentially challenging prospect given the state of the economy.
But for those who want to stay in uniform, there may be a new option emerging -- just not an American one. Australia has put out the "Help Wanted" sign for foreign national veterans.
"We are looking for serving or ex-serving foreign military personnel, who can directly transfer their job and life skills to whichever Service they join, with limited training and preparation," the Australian Defence Force has announced on its website.
Jobs to be filled include special forces types, intelligence officers and submariners, according to the announcement, but the separate recruitment pages for each service branch show that the Aussies will consider veterans with a broad range of military experience.
As the U.S. tightens its defense belt slightly over the next year, the Army and Marine Corps will cut end strength by thousands of men and women. The Army expects to lose about 7,400 Soldiers by October, to reach an end strength of 562,000.
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The Corps eventually plans shrinking its manpower by about 16,000 to reach a total Marine force of 186,800. The Navy already has brought down its numbers by more than 50,000 since reaching a wartime strength of 383,000 during the build-up for the Iraq invasion. It expects to ship another 3,000 Sailors off to civilian life by next fall.
Only the Air Force expects to add people next year, but just a few hundred; and its end strength of about 333,000 for 2012 will still be about 40,000 Airmen lighter than it was in 2004.
According to the U.S. State Department, the U.S. and Australia each recognize dual citizenship. Serving in the military of one is not listed as a cause for losing citizenship in the other. The Australian defense site also notes that security clearances acquired while in the U.S. military are transferable to the Australian military.
"Australia is a great country and staunch ally, and aside from a common language, we share the same values and beliefs," said Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars. "As our military begins to downsize, it could be a great opportunity for those who want to continue serving."
Among veterans who saw a story on the Aussie recruiting announcement posted to the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America site on Tuesday, a number said they would consider making the move Down Under, and some indicated enthusiasm for the idea.
Ricardo Mireles of Texas, a retired Navy man, posted that if he were just out of the Navy, he'd "be there in a heartbeat, no doubt!"
"Why not?" posted Laci DeLisle, whose Facebook page shows her in an Army uniform, hugging family members at an airport. "People here are trying to stay in when they don't need us anymore. I'd be down for it. Probably get better accommodations than the U.S. Army provides, but that really wouldn't take much."
But other posters were adamant they would never wear another country's uniform.
"Can't ever imagine putting my life on the line for another country," posted Larry Josefowski, an Iraq War veteran and Army reservist in Delaware, "even for Australia."

4 comments:

  1. DannyHansen
    Dec 28, 2011 12:46:15 PM
    Same move different war. I just have two questions. Why is it that the Democrats (president) when in power seem to be the first to commit or increase forces into a conflict, and are the first to target troop strength when adjusting their budget? It is a good opportunity for our service members, but we end up contracting for all the services we used to rely on troops for private contracting firms. Who by the way get paid a hell of a lot more (ITT, KBR, and diplomatic security forces)? But then when you look at who contributes to the campaign coffers (on both sides) it is not that hard to understand. All they will have to do is learn to say “mate” at the end of each sentence.
    ColdWarVet75
    Dec 28, 2011 12:46:17 PM
    If you serve in a foreign military you will loose your US Citizenship. While that didn't happen during WWII, you never know who Eric Holder would make an example of to take the fast and furious spotlight off of him.
    CDJEEP
    Dec 28, 2011 12:57:10 PM
    Hey ColdWarVet75, It states above "According to the U.S. State Department, the U.S. and Australia each recognize dual citizenship. Serving in the military of one is not listed as a cause for losing citizenship in the other. The Australian defense site also notes that security clearances acquired while in the U.S. military are transferable to the Australian military."Sounds like a great thing for those willing to do it and still serve. DannyHansen, The last time anyone fought for "this country's people was WW2, so many have died since then for other countries and not their own.
    24445958
    Dec 28, 2011 1:06:14 PM
    I'd do that in aheart beat if I was a young Dude! New Zealand has been doin that for a while.
    2124721
    Dec 28, 2011 1:06:21 PM
    When you serve another counteries ARMY you must Swear allegiance to that country.
    37F2L
    Dec 28, 2011 1:13:01 PM
    The 2 wars in the last 10 years occurred during Republican administrations, in the first term. Unless Bush was a closet Democrat. Afghanistan was just and required. Iraq not by any stretch of the imagination. A Republican administration farmed out everything they could to private contractors and went in very light and unprepared and expecting an in and out. Magical thinking got a lot of soldiers killed. Remember the hillbilly armor? That was courtesy of Rumsfeld, you know the war on the cheap thing. Secretary Gates specifically requested that an MRAP be placed in his official portrait when he retired. A rare Republican who obviously did not see those under his care as anything less than people. Danny you have been watching to much Fox which does kill brain cells and make you more ignorant than when you started watching.

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  2. One Man thinks this way!!!!

    If we must have a war do the damn job right. With over whelming force and quickly. There is no substitute for victory. Overwhelming, earth shaking VICTORY! Like Desert Storm, the first Gulf war.

    You can't run a war on a budget. Fast and violent is cheaper than this nation building hog wash that drags everything out for years. We have learned nothing from the Vietnam war.

    It's not Obama or Bush, it's Obama and Bush. Just like it was not LBJ or Nixon it was LBJ and Nixon. Kissinger or Hillery? McNamara or Rumsfeld? And what is the common denominator? The commie pinko liberal infested State Department that never changes no matter who is in the White House. The talkers and appeasers have not changed since Ben Franklin copied it from the FRENCH.

    Got it yet? Our enemies use the LONG WAR strategy against us. They win by not loosing. By dragging it out till the people get tired of the spend and the body bags. Then a bunch of opposition politicians do everything in their power to strangle the effort and stretch it out longer.

    We have the finest military in the history of the world and the worst politicians.

    Please explain to me how the 40,000 man troop surge being cut back to 30,000 shortened the Afghan war. Only being able to surge one province at a time instead of two made it better?

    Our country is being run by self serving idiots. We went through this before forty years ago. We have learned nothing!

    Obama is going to save us from Bush? Who is going to save us from Obama? My weasel is better than your weasel? They are all weasels.

    Schwarzkopf on Saddam, "the general declared the Iraqi commander was "neither a strategist, nor is he schooled in the operational art, nor is he a tactician, nor is he a general, nor is he a soldier."", The same could be said for the Ivy League educated idiot lawyer politicians who tell the military how to how to do their jobs.

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  3. SGTBJH Dec 28, 2011
    Naw, it would never work. First off, their football does not have a centre. Also, you have to learn to spell all over again. And to understand cricket, you first have to know what a crumpet is. On the up side(or down side) Christmas is in the summer.Now that IS a plus.
    pastorvon
    Dec 28, 2011 3:12:52 PM
    So is the USA going into the mercenary business? When the idea was first floated it sounded like US service people serving in US uniforms on foreign soil. Now, it sounds as if US service people will be serving in Aussie uniforms. Right??
    longshadower
    Dec 28, 2011 3:17:37 PM
    We have plenty of foreign nationals serving in our military so why shouldn’t Australia do the same thing?

    This isn’t new either. US citizens have a long history of serving in the French Foreign Legion and other foreign services. The picture gets a little iffy though if you get promoted to an NCO or officer. That can put somebody in position to lose their US citizenship.

    This link may help explain the issue:
    http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html
    ArmyAirRecon
    Dec 28, 2011 3:37:32 PM
    Storm in a tea cup. It's a job offer. Not a big deal.
    ArmyAirRecon
    Dec 28, 2011 3:42:26 PM
    Beer, Barbie and great beaches, mate. It aint' Ft. Bragg. Better read the fine print though.
    2ndD
    Dec 28, 2011 3:46:27 PM
    They do this down size thing after every war, I got caught up in it after VN was over, anyone over weight or had a P4 profile was on the train, they didn't care if you might get over your injury it was you are injured now, hurt alot of us who wanted to stay in for 20 or more. I had 8 yrs in at the time but there was some who had 15,18. Suck Bad.But I would do it again if I had to do it over, I love my country,can't say that for my leaders right now, on both sides of the table.
    armync
    Dec 28, 2011 3:50:43 PM
    http://www.travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_780.html Years ago when American citizens joined the French Foreign Legion the French would give you a name change and a passport to join. If they would take a ex military man that was Airborne and served in the 5th SF,with 3 MOS's that is now 53 years old I would gladly go.

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  4. I do believe that we can serve two Masters and there by be loyal to each. The only time it becomes a problem is if the two are pitted against each other. We have been allowing others to serve in the United States Armed Forces for many years, and many never had or gained U S Citizenship. These service members did not lose their native citizenship. I think it is a very good program for both the individual as well as the gaining country. If a businessman was looking for a position as a CEO and a job was offered in a progressive Country, friendly to the United States, I would venture to say he would take is. I would venture to say that he would probably accept the position even if the Country wasn't friendly to the United States.

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